OT: the random and free choice
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From: jaybuzin0...@cs.com (Jaybuzin0000)
Date: 01 Jun 2001 12:00:45 GMT
Local: Fri, Jun 1 2001 4:00 pm
Subject: Re: OT: the random and free choice
viewpoint tossed:
>Thought thrown out for discussion among those interested: I'm not sure I agree with that. >Assertion: >The concept of random chance is required in order to implement "free There are some passages in the (taoist) texts suggesting that fate is an element of reality. Invoking a deterministic view may or may not take something away from free choice. What if it's all pov? >Logic: I'm not sure I see the logic in that. >1. The concept of "free choice" must guarantee the concept of Are you saying that if there is free choice then folks are free to be theistic or atheistic? >2. Lacking the concept of "random chance" the concept of atheism I don't think this is necessarily true. >falls apart. >From this viewpoint it makes a certain sense; is it asserted to be If the "givens" are accepted >truth? the conclusion may follow. Who actually does assert such things? > No claims made, except that it seems like some interesting furry sure, why knot? >discussion could come from it. {:-]))) You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: musc...@planet.nl (musician)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 06:35:48 GMT
Local: Tues, Jun 5 2001 10:35 am
Subject: Re: OT: the random and free choice
On Thu, 31 May 2001 18:17:13 -0600, viewpoint <pres...@grove.org>
wrote: if this place is "self-soing" then what you do is what you've chosen to bring to this place this is the principle of choice in each moment random chance does not exist because every moment is the result of the so I guess I'm trying to say that - imo - random chance is not musician You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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Weekly TTC: Ch. 9
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From: jaybuzin0...@cs.com (Jaybuzin0000)
Date: 01 Jun 2001 12:09:41 GMT
Local: Fri, Jun 1 2001 4:09 pm
Subject: Re: Weekly TTC: Ch. 9
IS wrote: [...s] >JB wrote: while somethings are looked into, most things are taken for granted. each day on the news; mountains are seen erupting, or rivers overflowing, or this\that dramatic tragedy is unfolding while most simply watch with interested-disinterest. >> or if they have found tao, or if they ought to most folks are "there" already >> be seeking tao. >> They are usually beyond a great many things. >It is, that's why there's so few of them. and know that they know deep-d'own. when things such as G-d, Tao, or Tod are discussed, they are not even disinterested. >> >A superman doesn't not need advantage, as he is the advantage. CT's "perfect man" is an illusion? >> How does one become a superman? >In an illusion. >> >Are you sure you are into the Tao-Chia not Tao-Chiao? simply being me. >> eye ain't necessarily >Committing to noncommittal? >> As a metaphysician, th'air are m'any things some folks get tangled in >> in a bag of tricks. >Wordswords? the mesh of heavenswords is wide and nothing escapes. >> >Or you have to ah, >> >read CT the western bible way? >> what might t'hat be? >Believing whatever it said in the books? eye seas. Many Tanks! {:-]))) You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "kamerm" <kam...@my-deja.com>
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 15:46:51 GMT
Local: Fri, Jun 1 2001 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: Weekly TTC: Ch. 9
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..IS.. ... > most folks are "there" already unfortunately, this disinterest is unstable > and know that they know deep-d'own. > when things such as G-d, Tao, or Tod are > discussed, they are not even disinterested. and moct folks are easily perturbed by the "slings and arrows of outrageous fortune" hubs don't just sit -- they spin -k ... You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: jaybuzin0...@cs.com (Jaybuzin0000)
Date: 01 Jun 2001 22:58:37 GMT
Local: Sat, Jun 2 2001 2:58 am
Subject: Re: Weekly TTC: Ch. 9
-k wrote: [...s] >j wrote: >> most folks are "there" already perhaps, for some, at times. >> and know that they know deep-d'own. >> when things such as G-d, Tao, or Tod are >> discussed, they are not even disinterested. >unfortunately, this disinterest is unstable >and moct folks are easily perturbed no atheists >by the "slings and arrows of outrageous fortune" in fox-wholes? >hubs don't just sit -- they spin whatEver >and gyroscopic stability is gained >as Te is expressed (to *really* streetch a metaphor ;-) works-without-working! {:-]))) You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Ichin Shen <taichiski...@taomartialarts.com>
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 16:33:49 GMT
Local: Fri, Jun 1 2001 8:33 pm
Subject: Re: Weekly TTC: Ch. 9
I teach my students not to take anything for granted, but be prepared
(i.e. learn the arts/skills thoroughly) and expect the unexpected, > each day on the news; mountains are seen it'll be foolish to think that one possess some superior > erupting, or rivers overflowing, or this\that > dramatic tragedy is unfolding while most > simply watch with interested-disinterest. > >> or if they have found tao, or if they ought to > >It is, that's why there's so few of them. > most folks are "there" already techniques/skills/knowledge that no one knows or decodes, above all, be honest deep down, as when push turn to shove only the real thing may save the day. > when things such as G-d, Tao, or Tod are A metaphor. > discussed, they are not even disinterested. > >> >A superman doesn't not need advantage, as he is the advantage. > >> How does one become a superman? > >In an illusion. > CT's "perfect man" is an illusion? > >> >Are you sure you are into the Tao-Chia not Tao-Chiao? > >> eye ain't necessarily > >Committing to noncommittal? > simply being me. > >> As a metaphysician, th'air are m'any things > >Wordswords? > some folks get tangled in > >> >Or you have to > >> what might t'hat be? > >Believing whatever it said in the books? > ah, IS You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: jaybuzin0...@cs.com (Jaybuzin0000)
Date: 01 Jun 2001 22:56:43 GMT
Local: Sat, Jun 2 2001 2:56 am
Subject: Re: Weekly TTC: Ch. 9
IS wrote: [...s] >JB wrote: >> most folks are "there" already all possess these techniques. >> and know that they know deep-d'own. >it'll be foolish to think that one possess some superior many have, as did Confucius, forgotten that they have forgotten. >that no one knows or decodes, to know and decodes such as you have is of importance for some >above all, be the real thing >honest deep down, as when push turn to shove only the real thing may >save the day. is what shines thru each and every day for those with eyes to sea >> CT's "perfect man" is an illusion? for what? >A metaphor. >> >> eye ain't necessarily quite. >> >> into anything in particular. >> >Committing to noncommittal? >> simply being me. >Being a bozo? Are you sure? a bozo is sum-ting aye does without doing at times >> some folks get tangled in are you other than it? >> the mesh of heavenswords is wide >> and nothing escapes. >Some plays the wordswords, not knowing being played by it? wh'air does yu draw teh lines? -jousting curious You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Ichin Shen <taichiski...@taomartialarts.com>
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 01:16:09 GMT
Local: Sat, Jun 2 2001 5:16 am
Subject: Re: Weekly TTC: Ch. 9
Jaybuzin0000 wrote: Not if one has lost them, > IS wrote: > >> most folks are "there" already > >it'll be foolish to think that one possess some superior > all possess these techniques. > many have, as did Confucius, forgotten in a sterile blank mind. > that they have forgotten. > >that no one knows or decodes, > to know and decodes > >above all, be > the real thing > >> CT's "perfect man" is an illusion? > >A metaphor. > for what? end, with unweaving character, vibrant Qi, not changing its character because the surrounding, and comprehending the nature of all things, if one can achieve all that, its nature is completed, its spirit has no flaw, and nothing would be able to harm him."-CT 19- > >> >> eye ain't necessarily > >> >Committing to noncommittal? > >> simply being me. > >Being a bozo? Are you sure? > quite. > >> some folks get tangled in > >Some plays the wordswords, not knowing being played by it? > are you other than it? :) You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: jaybuzin0...@cs.com (Jaybuzin0000)
Date: 02 Jun 2001 11:41:21 GMT
Local: Sat, Jun 2 2001 3:41 pm
Subject: Re: Weekly TTC: Ch. 9
Ichin wrote: [...s] >Jay wrote: >> >it'll be foolish to think that one possess some superior Youngsters may be brainwashed >> >techniques/skills/knowledge >> all possess these techniques. >Not if one has lost them, into adopting a personality acceptable to the society in which they live. In a way, they lose ying-erh. If the chih\finger can be lost >> many have, as did Confucius, forgotten Out to change the world >> that they have forgotten. >in a sterile blank mind. or playing cultural games their minds are not blank but written over and upon. >> the real thing Open your eyes >> is what shines thru >> each and every day >> for those with eyes to sea >Really? What's the moon looks like tonight? and it will become apparent. Can yu not sea teh wu in each of 10k? >> >> CT's "perfect man" is an illusion? The texts are also called 'transformative' >> >A metaphor. >> for what? >The state of being Oneness, "... moving free through 10k from end to for those being reminded of a ying-erh t'hat is never unworn, way-deep, by One. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Ichin Shen <taichiski...@taomartialarts.com>
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 17:44:16 GMT
Local: Sat, Jun 2 2001 9:44 pm
Subject: Re: Weekly TTC: Ch. 9
Believing is a personal choice, truth remains a possibility upon close
examination, > In a way, they lose ying-erh. as well, the ying-erh's innocence remains in one's honesty. > If the chih\finger can be lost > >> many have, as did Confucius, forgotten > >in a sterile blank mind. > Out to change the world > >> the real thing > >Really? What's the moon looks like tonight? > Open your eyes > Can yu not sea teh wu wordswords? > in each of 10k? Wordswords? :) You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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